Comments on: Index http://bookofmormonresearch.org Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:38:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: seo http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-124856 seo Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:38:51 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-124856 Thank you, I have recently been hunting for facts about this topic for ages and yours is the best I have found so far. Thank you, I have recently been hunting for facts about this topic for ages and yours is the best I have found so far.

]]> By: john http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-103927 john Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:03:28 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-103927 It was formerly circulated by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, but is no longer available. I hope to revise the manuscript, adding new research, and publish it. It was formerly circulated by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, but is no longer available. I hope to revise the manuscript, adding new research, and publish it.

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]]> By: Vincent Setterholm http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-15747 Vincent Setterholm Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:38:27 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-15747 Hello, Mr. Tvedtnes. I recently read your paper on Isaiah Variants in the Book of Mormon and in it you mentioned that your more detailed study has circulated in an unpublished form. Would you be willing to email me a copy? Thanks for the consideration! Cheers, Vincent Setterholm Hello, Mr. Tvedtnes. I recently read your paper on Isaiah Variants in the Book of Mormon and in it you mentioned that your more detailed study has circulated in an unpublished form. Would you be willing to email me a copy? Thanks for the consideration!

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]]> By: john http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-834 john Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:27:07 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-834 I read the Book of Mormon many years before the subtitle was added and the contents were the same as now, describing Nephite history and teachings. Where did you come up with the idea that the book itself has changed just because a subtitle was added? You need to read the book! There were two varieties of reformed Egyptian at the time Lehi left Jerusalem, One was called by the Greeks hieratic (meaning "priestly"), the other demotic (meaning "popular" (i.e., of the people). Each was a cursive, with demotic being the most cursive. But the Nephites reformed it even further, as Moroni states in Mormon 9:32-34. Again, where are you getting such strange and incorrect ideas? I read the Book of Mormon many years before the subtitle was added and the contents were the same as now, describing Nephite history and teachings. Where did you come up with the idea that the book itself has changed just because a subtitle was added? You need to read the book!

There were two varieties of reformed Egyptian at the time Lehi left Jerusalem, One was called by the Greeks hieratic (meaning “priestly”), the other demotic (meaning “popular” (i.e., of the people). Each was a cursive, with demotic being the most cursive. But the Nephites reformed it even further, as Moroni states in Mormon 9:32-34. Again, where are you getting such strange and incorrect ideas?

]]> By: john http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-833 john Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:23:35 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-833 The word templum is Latin and refers to sacred space. We have many Latin words in English. The KJV translators used it to denote the sacred building constructed in Jerusalem by Solomon. The word templum is Latin and refers to sacred space. We have many Latin words in English. The KJV translators used it to denote the sacred building constructed in Jerusalem by Solomon.

]]> By: john http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-830 john Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:23:47 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-830 We agree that Jesus is the only one on whom we can rely for salvation. But you seem not to be aware that the Book of Mormon also testifies of Jesus Christ. Technically, there is no such thing as "Mormonism." We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and we acknowledge Christ as the head of our Church. Mormon is the man who, in the late fourth century AD, abridged the records of his people and called it the Book of Mormon. I suggest you read it before you judge it. We agree that Jesus is the only one on whom we can rely for salvation. But you seem not to be aware that the Book of Mormon also testifies of Jesus Christ. Technically, there is no such thing as “Mormonism.” We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and we acknowledge Christ as the head of our Church. Mormon is the man who, in the late fourth century AD, abridged the records of his people and called it the Book of Mormon. I suggest you read it before you judge it.

]]> By: Teryl Gardner http://bookofmormonresearch.org/#comment-827 Teryl Gardner Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:12:23 +0000 http://www.bookofmormonresearch.org/32/index#comment-827 John - I periodically read where an LDS scholar "admits" that Joseph Smith used the King James Bible in his translation of the Book of Mormon. This idea opposes Emma's testimony that Joseph did not have any materials as he dictated the text. I have developed a theory regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon, and I wonder if it fits well with what we know of it. First of all, I do not believe in "hocus pocus" miracles. I do not believe, for example, that God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. Perhaps it was more like when I said, "Let there be a house on this vacant lot," and there was a house. The glory of God is intelligence, not magic. If Joseph looked at the Urim and Thummim or the seer stone and the translation appeared, it must be because some intelligent being, perhaps Mormon or Moroni, prepared the translation and made a conscious decision to render it in Old English. They certainly had plenty of time to do it. I think that this more naturalistic view of miracles may resolve some problems in the translation theories. One other problem in the translation process is the account of Oliver Cowdery's attempt to translate. I can't believe that the Lord intended either Joseph or Oliver to pray about the meaning of each word or phrase and expect a burning or a stupor to get the translation right. It almost sounds like Morse Code! Can a person's spirit really respond that fast to changes in spiritual feelings? I understand that actual words appeared that Joseph read. I believe that after Oliver failed, the Lord counseled him to more seriously consider his intent before asking Him about it. Oliver saw Joseph translating, and he wanted to try it. He took the easy path, apparently asking Joseph if it was OK, and then asking the Lord to make the words appear. It seems that the Lord wanted Oliver to discover His will for himself, through his own effort. In a way, Oliver's failure parallels Joseph's failure to translate after he had a disagreement with Emma. In both instances, the translator gave too little attention to the divine element of the translation process, and spiritual preparation. The Lord did not give Oliver a second chance, perhaps because the lesson had been learned, which was the reason for giving His consent for Oliver to try. The evidence is that Joseph translated the Book of Mormon without any materials, without even looking at the Gold Plates, without pauses to see what the Bible wording was. According to Royal Skousen, the evidence suggests tight control over the words that Joseph saw and dictated. Since I am not a scholar, nor do I have access to the materials, my question is, does my view that some being prepared the translation, and my interpretation of the Lord's counsel to Oliver, take care of the apparent problems? Hasn't anyone else thought that the translation could have been prepared by Mormon or Moroni, and then simply transmitted to the seer stone, or is such an idea viewed as not being serious scholarship? Thanks for your time. Teryl Gardner John – I periodically read where an LDS scholar “admits” that Joseph Smith used the King James Bible in his translation of the Book of Mormon. This idea opposes Emma’s testimony that Joseph did not have any materials as he dictated the text. I have developed a theory regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon, and I wonder if it fits well with what we know of it.

First of all, I do not believe in “hocus pocus” miracles. I do not believe, for example, that God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. Perhaps it was more like when I said, “Let there be a house on this vacant lot,” and there was a house. The glory of God is intelligence, not magic.

If Joseph looked at the Urim and Thummim or the seer stone and the translation appeared, it must be because some intelligent being, perhaps Mormon or Moroni, prepared the translation and made a conscious decision to render it in Old English. They certainly had plenty of time to do it. I think that this more naturalistic view of miracles may resolve some problems in the translation theories.

One other problem in the translation process is the account of Oliver Cowdery’s attempt to translate. I can’t believe that the Lord intended either Joseph or Oliver to pray about the meaning of each word or phrase and expect a burning or a stupor to get the translation right. It almost sounds like Morse Code! Can a person’s spirit really respond that fast to changes in spiritual feelings? I understand that actual words appeared that Joseph read.

I believe that after Oliver failed, the Lord counseled him to more seriously consider his intent before asking Him about it. Oliver saw Joseph translating, and he wanted to try it. He took the easy path, apparently asking Joseph if it was OK, and then asking the Lord to make the words appear. It seems that the Lord wanted Oliver to discover His will for himself, through his own effort. In a way, Oliver’s failure parallels Joseph’s failure to translate after he had a disagreement with Emma. In both instances, the translator gave too little attention to the divine element of the translation process, and spiritual preparation. The Lord did not give Oliver a second chance, perhaps because the lesson had been learned, which was the reason for giving His consent for Oliver to try.

The evidence is that Joseph translated the Book of Mormon without any materials, without even looking at the Gold Plates, without pauses to see what the Bible wording was. According to Royal Skousen, the evidence suggests tight control over the words that Joseph saw and dictated. Since I am not a scholar, nor do I have access to the materials, my question is, does my view that some being prepared the translation, and my interpretation of the Lord’s counsel to Oliver, take care of the apparent problems? Hasn’t anyone else thought that the translation could have been prepared by Mormon or Moroni, and then simply transmitted to the seer stone, or is such an idea viewed as not being serious scholarship?

Thanks for your time. Teryl Gardner

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